Bart D. Ehrman

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My view is that when they came to think Jesus was raised from the dead, the disciples thought that this entailed his being exalted up to heaven. And *that* is why they started calling Jesus “God,” because in ancient thinking – as documented widely in both pagan and Jewish circles – it was believed that a mortal being who was taken up to heaven was made immortal, and was in fact, considered then to become a God. That is the belief attested for such figures as Romulus in Roman circles and Enoch in Jewish circles. And it is, I’ve contended, how the earliest Christians understood Jesus. Only as they thought about it more did they start saying even more exalted things about him – eventually saying not that he was a mortal who had been made immortal or a human who had been made divine, but that he had been a divine being *before* he was a human being, that is, that he had pre-existed his appearance in this world and that he was a God come to earth, not an earthly being taken up to be a God. In other words, in the terms I use in my book, the early Christians shifted from an “exaltation” Christology (where Christ was exalted to the level of divinity) to an “incarnation” Christology (where Christ was a God who became a fleshly human being, temporarily).

 

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Jesus says that he exorcises demons .. BY THE SPIRIT OF GOD! ..(did you notice the quotations? Justin put it up for you, how Jesus casts out demons? .. By the Spirit of God).. GOD EMPOWERS Jesus! .. Jesus understood himself to be empowered by God because he was in a special relationship with God .. But he DOESN’T claim to be, God! …. If Jesus really went around Galilee and Jerusalem calling himself, God, wouldn’t somebody want to write that down?!?

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Minute 01:02:47, Youtube Link

 

Jesus makes exalted claims for himself in the gospel of John. There he doesn’t simply claim to be the Son of God, he doesn’t claim just to be the Son of Man. He claims to be equal with God! He does not make those claims in our earliest gospels or in the sources of our earliest gospels! .. Why is that? .. If Jesus really called himself, God, wouldn’t that be widely known!? .. Wouldn’t Mathew, Mark and Luke .. and Q, and the sources behind Mathew, Mark and Luke .. and Q would have known about it?! .. If they knew about it, how in the world could have they failed to tell us!! .. Mathew, Mark and Luke want to write stories about what Jesus’ said and they neglect to mention that he called himself, God ?!?! .. How could they just leave that part out if they knew about it!?? .. They’ve probably didn’t know about it. They didn’t know about it because the historical Jesus did not call himself, God.

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Minute 45:43, Youtube Link

 

1. The authors of the New Testament gospels do not claim to be eyewitnesses.
2. They don’t claim to be people named Mark, Mathew, Luke and John.
3. They (i.e., the gospels) are written anonymously.
4. They are not written in Jesus’ native language, Aramaic. They are written in another language, Greek.
5. They were not written by lower class fishermen and other peasants, they are written by highly educated Greek speaking people living 40/50 years later who were living in other parts of the world.
.. Where did they get their information from? They don’t tell us!

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Minute 36:35, Youtube Link

 

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